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::2. There were already several similar articles of similar names with either elected or officeholders. I am not at all sure what your objection is - is it just that there are no terms listed? If it is an article by year then the relevant information is that year, not the whole term, and the actual terms should be listed on the candidates page itself - also when a term ends for someone who spanned multiple years, the maintenance could be extensive as numerous pages would need to be edited, though more likely some would be and some would not be. All of the same information is there, minus terms. The important issue is Libertarians in office, whether elected or appointed.... or perhaps I am just not at all understanding the objection. It does seem though that a note or template stating that the lists may be incomplete is also needed. | ::2. There were already several similar articles of similar names with either elected or officeholders. I am not at all sure what your objection is - is it just that there are no terms listed? If it is an article by year then the relevant information is that year, not the whole term, and the actual terms should be listed on the candidates page itself - also when a term ends for someone who spanned multiple years, the maintenance could be extensive as numerous pages would need to be edited, though more likely some would be and some would not be. All of the same information is there, minus terms. The important issue is Libertarians in office, whether elected or appointed.... or perhaps I am just not at all understanding the objection. It does seem though that a note or template stating that the lists may be incomplete is also needed. | ||
The committee meetings are open and you are welcome to attend - let me know if you would like the log-in information. | :: The committee meetings are open and you are welcome to attend - let me know if you would like the log-in information. | ||
:: [[User:CarynAnnHarlos|CarynAnnHarlos]] ([[User talk:CarynAnnHarlos|talk]]) 04:10, 6 October 2019 (CDT) | |||
[[User: | ::: You can claim whatever style usage you want. But don't claim "we" do that for consistency because there isn't any consistency. When I started here in 2014, there were a handful of election results on a few state pages. And they went in opposite directions - New York and Connecticut went oldest to newest, Vermont and Louisiana went newest to oldest. And there were other style variations, like some were left-aligned while others were centered. I am the one who standardized it in the course of adding roughly 12,000 more election results. And I went most recent to oldest for the purposes of creating a slightly more positive impression, not in an attempt to fool people, as you disingenuously attribute as my purpose. Logically, the order doesn't matter. Psychologically, it does. And that is the way I entered all information - voter registrations, revenue, endorsements, etc. Have fun reversing it all while you're entering new data in 2020. | ||
::: I put in a request for deletion for both of those pages in February. You seemed to think that a ready to go list of attacks on the Libertarian Party would help our candidates more than oppo research teams or trolls like Sam Seder. And now we can add your apparent belief that preserving historical attacks on the LP, regardless of how truthful or fair they are, is worth driving away inquisitive, prospective libertarians. The intent of the person who created that page is irrelevant. Keeping it up is idiotic. | |||
::: Everything I do here, everything you do here or in the course of your duties with the LP, everything the national LP does down to the subtlest and rarely seen details, within the bounds of truthfulness and libertarian principles, should be designed for the growth of libertarianism and the Libertarian Party. The psychological effect of better performance as a first impression serves that goal. The promotion of trolls and the preservation of old attacks on the LP do not. | |||
::: Think about the election/officeholder timeline. Someone may be elected to a two year term in November, 2014. They take office in January 2015, hold office throughout 2016 and leave office in January 2017. | |||
::: So I (and a couple of others in the case of 2017) made a list of people who were '''elected''' in 2014. They may or may not have been '''officeholders''' in 2014. They may not have become officeholders until 2015. And their names would have to continue to be listed as officeholders in 2015, 2016, and 2017, if you wanted to build such a list. Or - maybe they did take office in 2014. Maybe the election was in April 2014 and they were sworn in May 2014. | |||
::: Local offices are commonly anywhere between one year and six years. In the case of appointments, they could be just a few months. In order to build a list of officeholders, you would have to know both the date they were sworn in and the date they left office, checking on them all along the way to ensure that they did not switch parties or resign before their terms were up. It is extremely difficult just finding election results for many local offices. But building a list of people who were elected is possible. It is not possible to build a list of officeholders with any hope of accuracy. | |||
::: The point is, you can't just take a list of people who were elected in 2014 and call it a list of officeholders in 2014. Some of them were officeholders in that year and some of them were not. Calling it a list of officeholders is wrong for everyone who was sworn in the year after their election, and incomplete as no appointees were listed and no multi-year office holders are listed beyond (maybe) the first year. You turned a complete or nearly complete list of elected Libertarians into junk. | |||
::: I have no interest in your meetings. | |||
::: [[User:AJPEG|AJPEG]] ([[User talk:AJPEG|talk]]) 22:43, 6 October 2019 (CDT) | |||