User talk:CarynAnnHarlos

Requests for Deletion

• Added the remaining templates for the Requests for Deletion process. You did it correctly for what I put there, now there are templates and instructions to improve functionality. When you go to create a deletion request, there will be the two fields (page title and reason for deletion) and that is where you can insert that information. I tested a couple of times LPedia:Requests for Deletion?/Testing and LPedia:Requests for Deletion?/Testing 2 and those pages will be deleted, but if you do your own test you can see what the page now generates. I added the other elements to LPedia:Requests for Deletion/Order of the Arrow. AMK152 (talk) 14:31, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

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Rename?

Hey CAH!

Could you please rename this account to User:MJL? Thank you in advance! :D

–MattLongCT ?Talk? 12:05, 22 June 2019 (CDT)

• LOL, I am not sure how to do that but I will ask at the next meeting of the bears of bigger brain than I. CarynAnnHarlos (talk) 14:31, 22 June 2019 (CDT)

  I gotchu XD –MattLongCT ?Talk? 17:39, 22 June 2019 (CDT)

AutoWikiBrowser

Is it okay if I use AutoWikiBrowser on this wiki to start with basic copyediting and formatting maintenance on articles? Also, with regard to the above section about renames, I can help if you want. You do seem to have the correct extension installed to preform account renames. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 23:05, 22 June 2019 (CDT)

Don't you need admin level to use AutoWikiBrowser (which I have used before to good effect)? Also for the renames? I would need to get committee approval, but if you are willing to do the needed maintenance, I am more than willing to do so. You can see I have been pretty busy doing a lot of it solo and need help. I just finished (almost) doing a major category overhaul which was a hot mess. CarynAnnHarlos (talk) 19:57, 23 June 2019 (CDT)

I would not need admin rights to use AWB, but it would help in cleanup for deletions and such. See my reply to you on my talk page. In regard to renames, as a bureaucrat you can rename users. It appears you have the extension that can do this via Special:RenameUser. I have a decent amount of free time and am willing to help with basically any maintenance necessary, so if there’s anything I can do please leave a message on my talk page or email me. Also, this site has no valid SSL certificate; it’s best to fix that as it could dissuade people from coming to this site. I’m not sure who hosts this but it shouldn’t be too hard. Thanks, Vermont (talk) 20:41, 23 June 2019 (CDT)

Hm, seems SSL worked fine for me after I went to the log in page and clicked “use secure connection”. Could just be me then, although I’m not sure why there’s an option (or even default) not to use a secure connection, heh. Vermont (talk) 20:44, 23 June 2019 (CDT)

I tried loading AWB up again, and was unable to get it to login on this wiki. What settings do you have under the site settings that allows it to work? Thanks, Vermont (talk) 17:44, 6 October 2019 (CDT)

Meeting on the 17th

Hello? Unfortunately, I won't be able to partake in that meeting, although please feel free to email me with any questions that may arise during the meeting about myself, if any do, and I'll respond to it as soon as possible. Thank you, Vermont (talk) 18:53, 13 July 2019 (CDT)

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1. I am a partisan. I try to be as accurate as possible. But LPedia is a party resource and I do not consider myself under any obligation to present that accurate information in an unbiased manner. For example, I've seen it debated on wikipedia whether more recent information should be listed first, because it is more relevant, or whether older information should be listed first, because listing it out chronologically from oldest to newest is more encyclopedic.

I honestly don't give a shit either way. That's an argument for wikipedia. I always list more recent election years first and elections from the party's early years last. Why? Because more recent elections generally have better results. That impression matters.

The same line of thinking applies to List of Public Officials who Joined the Libertarian Party while in Office. The 2016 - 2019 years have more conversions and at higher level offices than the early years. As a partisan, I want the first view to be of the information that presents the party in the best light. Do you not?

On a side note, why did you change "This list is very incomplete, especially prior to January, 2008 " to "This list is very incomplete, especially prior to January, 2000 "? There was a reason it said January, 2008. I went through all of the "News" and "Features" listed on the Libertarian Party web site. They stop in late 2007. Did you do any sort of research on the period between January 2000 and December 2007 to rule out other instances of party switching? I wouldn't count on LP News. There are plenty of examples of party switches in recent years that never made LP News. I added a few party-switches mentioned in earlier editions of LP News, but there is no reason to think that earlier editions were any better than later editions. I would not assume the list is complete just on the basis of LP News.

In the same vein, Sam Seder is an asshole troll who hates libertarians and has openly discussed getting the Libertarian Presidential nomination for the sole purpose of campaigning for the Democratic nominee. We have no obligation to give him free air time. That page should be deleted.

And so should the page on Uses Of Platform To Attack LP. I can't even share the National Platform with people who I'm trying to encourage to join the Libertarian Party because someone put a link to the Uses Of Platform To Attack LP page on it. "Hey, here's a link to that issue you and the LP agree on, and it's got all of the historical platforms so you can see how consistent we've been on that over the years. Just ignore that part at the bottom where we provide a space for our ideological enemies to call us pedophiles." No. It was a bad idea to put that link on the National Platform page and it was straight up retarded to create the page in the first place. Honestly, if I had seen it before you got here, I would have waited until Strangelv was asleep for a few weeks and then blanked the page in the middle of 200 revert-vandalism edits, hoping he wouldn't catch it.

It should be deleted immediately. And I say that as someone who does not want to delete anything libertarian. But Sam Seder and Uses of Platform To Attack LP are not libertarian - they are anti-libertarian. Only a moron gives their opponents free ammo to use against them.

2. You just took a bunch of pages which were either complete or close to it and turned them into junk.

List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2019
List of Libertarians elected to office in 2018
List of Libertarians elected to office in 2017
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2016
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2015
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2014
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2013
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2012
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2011
List of Libertarians Elected to Office in 2010

Those were complete or very close to being complete in accordance with the title of the page: elected to office. But as a list of Officeholders by year? Even including those who switched parties, they are, at best, one quarter complete. In other words, the new title you gave it makes the LP appear 75% worse than it actually is. That impression matters. There are no appointments listed and most of the people elected serve for multiple years. It is very difficult just attempting to keep track of local election results. My personal list has been more complete (and much more accurate) than what the national party has put out for the last several years. But also attempting to keep track of appointments and when all of their terms expire is impossible. Even the national party, which presumably gets fed some of that info from state and local parties, if not the officeholders themselves, has made a mess of it. They've been trying to do it for decades and their list is still riddled with all sorts of errors - failing to remove officeholders who switch to another party, failing to remove officeholders when their terms expire, forgetting to add elected or appointed candidates, classifying appointments as elected officeholders - it's just a mess. And it could not be done correctly even if there was a representative from every state providing input on it to LPedia. But calling a list of elected Libertarians by year a list of officeholders by year shouldn't even qualify as a bad attempt at completeness.

AJPEG (talk) 02:49, 6 October 2019 (CDT)

1. It is the style usage here to use ascending chronologically. We do that for consistency. And no, we don't try to put things in a way that have a more positive spin, though I don't agree that other even serves that purpose. This is a historical archive, no one is fooled by switching order of dates, and it is fully logical to have less at the beginning when the Party is brand new. The 2000 to 2008 was just a typo. I did not intend to change the year. All declared candidates get listed and would qualify for pages. You can certainly add a comment about reputation etc. If you would like the committee to review the uses of the platform to attack the LP for deletion you can put in a request for deletion. It is a factual piece and contains relevant information - it does no good to bury how we might be attacked but rather to be aware so as to combat it. I did not create that page so I do not know the entire intent.

2. There were already several similar articles of similar names with either elected or officeholders. I am not at all sure what your objection is - is it just that there are no terms listed? If it is an article by year then the relevant information is that year, not the whole term, and the actual terms should be listed on the candidates page itself - also when a term ends for someone who spanned multiple years, the maintenance could be extensive as numerous pages would need to be edited, though more likely some would be and some would not be. All of the same information is there, minus terms. The important issue is Libertarians in office, whether elected or appointed.... or perhaps I am just not at all understanding the objection. It does seem though that a note or template stating that the lists may be incomplete is also needed.

The committee meetings are open and you are welcome to attend - let me know if you would like the log-in information.

CarynAnnHarlos (talk) 04:10, 6 October 2019 (CDT)