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LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE
LIBERTARIAN NATIONAL COMMITTEE


   
   


August 7-8, 19B2 Billings, Montana
August 7-8, 1982 Billings, Montana


Members present
Members present
* [[Alicia Clark]], Chair
* [[Paul Grant]], Region 6
* [[Frances Eddy]], Secretary
* [[Lynn Crussel, Region 7
* [[Sheldon Richman]], Vice-Chair
* [[Dale Hemming]], Region 8
* [[Vivian Baures]], Treasurer
* [[Jim Johnston]], Region 9
* [[David Bergland]], Prior Chair
* [[Leslie Graves Key]], Region 10
* [[Michael Emerling]], at-large
* [[Tom Bogel]], Region 11
* [[M. L. Hanson]], at-large                     
* [[Matt Monroe]], Region 13
* [[Chris Hocker]], at-large                     
* [[David Walter]], Region 14
* [[Andrea Millen Rich]], at-large           
* [[Jule Herbert]], Region 15
* [[Murray Rothbard]], at-large                 
* [[Howie Rich]], Region 16
* [[Stephen DeLisio]], Region I                 
* [[Jim Lewis]], Region 17
* [[Bill Evers]], Region 2                         
* [[Clark Hodge]], Region 19
* [[Mike Hall]], Region 2
* [[David Brazier]], Region 3                       
* [[Gary Palm]], Region 4                             
* [[Emil Franzi]], Region 5                           
* [[Dale Pratt]], Region 2


[[Alicia Clark]], Chair                          [[Paul Grant]], Region 6
Members absent
 
* [[Kent Guida]], at-large
[[Frances Eddy]], Secretary                  [[Lynn Crussel, Region 7
* [[Dick Randolph]], at-large
 
[[Sheldon Richman]], Vice-Chair            [[Dale Hemming]], Region 8
 
[[Vivian Baures]], Treasurer                  [[Jim Johnston]], Region 9
 
[[David Bergland]], Prior Chair                [[Leslie Graves Key]], Region 10
 
[[Michael Emerling]], at-large                  [[Tom Bogel]], Region 11
 
[[M. L. Hanson]], at-large                      [[Matt Monroe]], Region 13
 
[[Chris Hocker]], at-large                      [[David Walter]], Region 14
 
[[Andrea Millen Rich]], at-large            [[Jule Herbert]], Region 15
 
[[Murray Rothbard]], at-large                  [[Howie Rich]], Region 16
 
[[Stephen DeLisio]], Region I                  [[Jim Lewis]], Region 17
 
[[Bill Evers]], Region 2                          [[Clark Hodge]], Region 19
 
[[Mike Hall]], Region 2
 
[[David Brazier]], Region 3                        Members absent
 
[[Gary Palm]], Region 4                              [[Kent Guida]], at-large
 
[[Emil Franzi]], Region 5                            [[Dick Randolph]], at-large
 
[[Dale Pratt]], Region 2
 
Alternates present                              [[Alan Lindsay]], Region 12


[[Sara Baase]], Region 2                          [[Michael Burch]], Region 18
Alternates present                             
* [[Alan Lindsay]], Region 12
* [[Sara Baase]], Region 2                           
* [[Michael Burch]], Region 18


Resignations since last meeting
Resignations since last meeting
 
* [[Linda Taylor]], Region 8  
[[Linda Taylor]], Region 8                         [[Sandy Burns]], Region 11
* [[Sandy Burns]], Region 11


1. CALL TO ORDER: The regular meeting of the Libertarian National Committee was called to order by Chair Clark at 9:10 a.m., August 7, 1982 at the Sheraton, Billings, Montana.
1. CALL TO ORDER: The regular meeting of the Libertarian National Committee was called to order by Chair Clark at 9:10 a.m., August 7, 1982 at the Sheraton, Billings, Montana.
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3. REVISIONS TO AGENDA: There were no objections to the Chair's recommendation that 4 items circulated as an addendum to the agenda be placed as follows: Plans for municipal races in 1983 as item 16a, Ballot status plans for states for 1983-84 as item 13a, Minority Outreach Committee Report as item 11a, and Resolution to discontinue tape recording Nat Com meetings as item 32. Emerling's motion to add as item 30a for 5 minutes Boycotting San Francisco until the hand-gun ban is repealed passed 23-4-0 by roll call vote: For: Baase. Baures, Bergland, Bogel, Crussel, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewis, Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: DeLisio, Eddy, Hemming, Herbert. There was no objection to Evers' motion to divide the time of items 4, 7, and 10 into periods for uninterrupted reports and question and answer sessions (4--20/25 minutes; 7-15115 minutes; 10-15/15 minutes). Evers moved to add as item 3a for 15 minutes
3. REVISIONS TO AGENDA: There were no objections to the Chair's recommendation that 4 items circulated as an addendum to the agenda be placed as follows: Plans for municipal races in 1983 as item 16a, Ballot status plans for states for 1983-84 as item 13a, Minority Outreach Committee Report as item 11a, and Resolution to discontinue tape recording Nat Com meetings as item 32. Emerling's motion to add as item 30a for 5 minutes Boycotting San Francisco until the hand-gun ban is repealed passed 23-4-0 by roll call vote: For: Baase. Baures, Bergland, Bogel, Crussel, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewis, Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: DeLisio, Eddy, Hemming, Herbert. There was no objection to Evers' motion to divide the time of items 4, 7, and 10 into periods for uninterrupted reports and question and answer sessions (4--20/25 minutes; 7-15115 minutes; 10-15/15 minutes). Evers moved to add as item 3a for 15 minutes


Resolution criticizing pro-draft statements by LP spokespersons. A. Rich's friendly amendment to place this item later in the agenda was not accepted- The question was divided (adding and placement). The motion to add passed 270-0 by roll call vote: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Bogel. Crussel, DeLisio, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Halli Hanson, Hemming, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewisli Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter. The vote to place it as item 3a passed. Hall's motion to add as item 33 for 5 minutes a Resolution o+ support of petition opposing SB 1407/HR 3975, a revision of postal regulations, passed. Hall's motion to add lunch after item 14 for one hour failed. Palm's motion to add as item 34 for 10 minutes Resolution re MX missile initiative passed as did Franzi's motion to add as item 35 for 5 minutes U.S. Policy towards the Philippines passed. Bogel's motion to extend the time for item 17 (Editorial Policy for LPNew Committee Report) to 5 minutes for report, 25 for questions and answers passed. Herbert"s motion to adopt the agenda as revised passed.
Resolution criticizing pro-draft statements by LP spokespersons. A. Rich's friendly amendment to place this item later in the agenda was not accepted- The question was divided (adding and placement). The motion to add passed 27-0-0 by roll call vote: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Bogel. Crussel, DeLisio, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Halli Hanson, Hemming, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewisli Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter. The vote to place it as item 3a passed. Hall's motion to add as item 33 for 5 minutes a Resolution o+ support of petition opposing SB 1407/HR 3975, a revision of postal regulations, passed. Hall's motion to add lunch after item 14 for one hour failed. Palm's motion to add as item 34 for 10 minutes Resolution re MX missile initiative passed as did Franzi's motion to add as item 35 for 5 minutes U.S. Policy towards the Philippines passed. Bogel's motion to extend the time for item 17 (Editorial Policy for LPNew Committee Report) to 5 minutes for report, 25 for questions and answers passed. Herbert"s motion to adopt the agenda as revised passed.


4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Eddy moved that corrections to the March 27-28, 1982 minutes as circulated with the agenda be accepted Ei.e., item 39: change "doen't" to "doesn’t"; item 45: change "first" to "last" in last sentence of item; item 46: add "Key (Region 10) and (Region 11)]. Rothbard asked that item 9 show Hanson as voting yes and Herbert as voting no (instead of Hanson being listed as voting both yes and no and Herbert's vote not recorded). A. Rich asked that the words "contrary to the report" be striken from the minutes [item 3. second sentence3 since she believed these words were not included in the last meeting nor in the report- After discussion,, the chair ruled "that the secretary can check that tape and even can send a copy to you, Andrea, to check it carefully and then we can take care of that right away." The minutes were approved as corrected.
4. APPROVAL OF MINUTES: Eddy moved that corrections to the March 27-28, 1982 minutes as circulated with the agenda be accepted Ei.e., item 39: change "doen't" to "doesn’t"; item 45: change "first" to "last" in last sentence of item; item 46: add "Key (Region 10) and (Region 11)]. Rothbard asked that item 9 show Hanson as voting yes and Herbert as voting no (instead of Hanson being listed as voting both yes and no and Herbert's vote not recorded). A. Rich asked that the words "contrary to the report" be striken from the minutes [item 3. second sentence3 since she believed these words were not included in the last meeting nor in the report- After discussion,, the chair ruled "that the secretary can check that tape and even can send a copy to you, Andrea, to check it carefully and then we can take care of that right away." The minutes were approved as corrected.


5. RESOLUTION CRITICIZING PRO-DRAFT STATEMENTS BY LP SPOKESPERSONS: Evers moved: WHEREAS in the past two years, Jennifer Roback, Ed Clark and San Steiger have each stated that retention of the draft is legitimate under some circumstances; WHEREAS the question has arisen as to whether paid staff or elected officers of the National Committee are the proper persons to intervene in such cases; THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee affirms that in cases of statements like those on the draft the responsibility for actively working to correct the situation lies with the National Chair and the National Committee; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee criticizes the above-named individuals for making statements that may seriously mislead the American public as to the Libertarian Party position on the draft. Hocker moved Key's Resolution on Arizona Gubernatorial Candidate7s Support of the Draft: The LNC strongly urges the Libertarian Party of Arizona, an organization affiliated with the National Libertarian Party and pledged to uphold the LP Statement a+ Principles, to take immediate steps to ensure that their gubernatorial candidate, Sam Steiger, retracts his public support for the military draft and endorses the Libertarian position of unwavering opposition to registration and the draft. if Steiger, when asked, refuses to withdraw his support for the draft, we urge the Libertarian Party of Arizona to privately, and publicly if necessaryl demand that he withdraw from the race. We direct the National Chair to monitor this situation on behalf of the LNC, to encourage the Libertarian Party of Arizona to comply with this resolution, and to issue biweekly reports to the LNC until the situation is resolved. Discussion followed. Bergland's motion to table the item passed.
5. RESOLUTION CRITICIZING PRO-DRAFT STATEMENTS BY LP SPOKESPERSONS: Evers moved: WHEREAS in the past two years, [[Jennifer Roback]], [[Ed Clark]] and [[San Steiger]] have each stated that retention of the draft is legitimate under some circumstances; WHEREAS the question has arisen as to whether paid staff or elected officers of the National Committee are the proper persons to intervene in such cases; THEREFORE BE IT RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee affirms that in cases of statements like those on the draft the responsibility for actively working to correct the situation lies with the National Chair and the National Committee; and BE IT FURTHER RESOLVED that the Libertarian National Committee criticizes the above-named individuals for making statements that may seriously mislead the American public as to the Libertarian Party position on the draft. Hocker moved Key's Resolution on Arizona Gubernatorial Candidate's Support of the Draft: The LNC strongly urges the [[Libertarian Party of Arizona]], an organization affiliated with the National Libertarian Party and pledged to uphold the LP [[Statement of Principles]], to take immediate steps to ensure that their gubernatorial candidate, [[Sam Steiger]], retracts his public support for the military draft and endorses the Libertarian position of unwavering opposition to registration and the draft. if Steiger, when asked, refuses to withdraw his support for the draft, we urge the [[Libertarian Party of Arizona]] to privately, and publicly if necessary demand that he withdraw from the race. We direct the National Chair to monitor this situation on behalf of the LNC, to encourage the [[Libertarian Party of Arizona]] to comply with this resolution, and to issue biweekly reports to the LNC until the situation is resolved. Discussion followed. Bergland's motion to table the item passed.


6. HEADQUARTERS REPORT: National Director [[Eric O'Keefe]] gave his report and answered questions. Evers quoted for entry in the minutes the following which he identified as being from a memo by [[Chris Hocker]] published in the June 1982 issue of [[Libertarian Vanguard]]: "I've occasionally heard some of us talk about what amounts to political retaliation against strongholds of pro-assholery. For example, that we do nothing to help the Texas LP this year because they're all going to vote against us anyway and we don't want to help strengthen their position .... So I would counsel against dispensing money, resources, advice, etc., only to 'our allies,' and instead to rule out internal political considerations when making decisions on whom to assist and how much." Evers continued: "My question is and I know privately in Bethesda I raised with you the fact that it seemed to me that some people were worried that discussions like this had been going on in the background and you assured me that wasn't the case and I wonder if since then or before then have you been party to any discussions or know of any discussion with regard to this." O'Keefe replied, "I'm certainly not going to comment on any unsigned articles in disreputable publications." In a point of personal privilege Evers said "I believe Mr. Hocker will assure you those are his words."
6. HEADQUARTERS REPORT: National Director [[Eric O'Keefe]] gave his report and answered questions. Evers quoted for entry in the minutes the following which he identified as being from a memo by [[Chris Hocker]] published in the June 1982 issue of [[Libertarian Vanguard]]: "I've occasionally heard some of us talk about what amounts to political retaliation against strongholds of pro-assholery. For example, that we do nothing to help the Texas LP this year because they're all going to vote against us anyway and we don't want to help strengthen their position .... So I would counsel against dispensing money, resources, advice, etc., only to 'our allies,' and instead to rule out internal political considerations when making decisions on whom to assist and how much." Evers continued: "My question is and I know privately in Bethesda I raised with you the fact that it seemed to me that some people were worried that discussions like this had been going on in the background and you assured me that wasn't the case and I wonder if since then or before then have you been party to any discussions or know of any discussion with regard to this." O'Keefe replied, "I'm certainly not going to comment on any unsigned articles in disreputable publications." In a point of personal privilege Evers said "I believe Mr. Hocker will assure you those are his words."
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11. MAILING LIST COMMITTEE REPORT: Bergland gave his report, answered questions, and moved that the telephone numbers that the LNC owns will not be given to any other organization, except to state parties or LP candidates. After discussion, Bergland's motion passed. The Chair recommended that the Mailing List Committee get together and establish policies and bring them back to this body. Emerling's motion to recess for lunch for one hour passed at 12:35 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 1:50 p.m.
11. MAILING LIST COMMITTEE REPORT: Bergland gave his report, answered questions, and moved that the telephone numbers that the LNC owns will not be given to any other organization, except to state parties or LP candidates. After discussion, Bergland's motion passed. The Chair recommended that the Mailing List Committee get together and establish policies and bring them back to this body. Emerling's motion to recess for lunch for one hour passed at 12:35 p.m. The meeting reconvened at 1:50 p.m.


12. INTERNAL EDUCATION COMMITTEE REPORT: Walter gave his report, answered questions, and called on chairs of sub-committees for reports: Grant on Ballot Drives and Hocker on Candidate Schools. Walter announced he was appointing [[Geoffrey Steinberg]] of Pennsylvania to the Candidate School Subcommittee. Evers moved that 10 hours of one member of the staff should be devoted each week to seeing that the party has a platform study guide. Bergland"s substitute motion proposed that the Internal Education Committee prepare an introductory platform study guide as soon as possible. After debate, Hocker called the question and his motion passed. The motion to substitute passed as did the main motion, that the Internal Education Committee prepare an introductory platform study guide as soon as possible.
12. INTERNAL EDUCATION COMMITTEE REPORT: Walter gave his report, answered questions, and called on chairs of sub-committees for reports: Grant on Ballot Drives and Hocker on Candidate Schools. Walter announced he was appointing [[Geoffrey Steinberg]] of Pennsylvania to the Candidate School Subcommittee. Evers moved that 10 hours of one member of the staff should be devoted each week to seeing that the party has a platform study guide. Bergland"s substitute motion proposed that the Internal Education Committee prepare an introductory platform study guide as soon as possible. After debate, Hocker called the question and his motion passed. The motion to substitute passed as did the main motion, that the Internal Education Committee prepare an introductory platform study guide as soon as possible.  
 


13. MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE REPORT: Franzi gave his report and answered questions. Key moved to abolish the category of student membership. After discussion,, Bergland called the question and his motion was voted on but not called. Emerling objected to Bergland's request to withdraw his motion. The vote was recounted and Bergland's motion failed 17-7. Johnston moved to amend the motion by adding that the elimination of the student membership shall be effective December 31, 1982 and students who renew their memberships before that deadline shall be able to prepay for future years memberships. Discussion +allowed until time was up. In a point of order Bergland requested that the motion be divided into two concepts, effective date and paying forward for an indefinite number of years. Johnston motion to extend debate 5 minutes failed. In a point of order Bagel a5t-..-ed about dividing the question and there was no objection to doing so. The first part a+ the motion passed 19-7-1 by roll call vote: For: Daures, Bergland, Bagel, Brazier, DeLisio. Eddy,, Emerling, Franzi, Grant, Hemming, Herbert, Hodge, Johnston, Key!. Palm, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard. Walter; Against.- Baase, Crussel, Evers, Hanson,, Hocker, Lewis, A. Rich; Abstain: Hall. The second part failed.
13. MEMBERSHIP COMMITTEE REPORT: Franzi gave his report and answered questions. Key moved to abolish the category of student membership. After discussion,, Bergland called the question and his motion was voted on but not called. Emerling objected to Bergland's request to withdraw his motion. The vote was recounted and Bergland's motion failed 17-7. Johnston moved to amend the motion by adding that the elimination of the student membership shall be effective December 31, 1982 and students who renew their memberships before that deadline shall be able to prepay for future years memberships. Discussion +allowed until time was up. In a point of order Bergland requested that the motion be divided into two concepts, effective date and paying forward for an indefinite number of years. Johnston motion to extend debate 5 minutes failed. In a point of order Bagel a5t-..-ed about dividing the question and there was no objection to doing so. The first part a+ the motion passed 19-7-1 by roll call vote: For: Daures, Bergland, Bagel, Brazier, DeLisio. Eddy,, Emerling, Franzi, Grant, Hemming, Herbert, Hodge, Johnston, Key!. Palm, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard. Walter; Against.- Baase, Crussel, Evers, Hanson,, Hocker, Lewis, A. Rich; Abstain: Hall. The second part failed.
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15. DISCUSSION ON THE NEW MEXICO BALLOT DRIVE: Franzi gave his report and answered questions. Baase motion that the National Committee instructs the Chair to write letters to the New Mexico and Louisiana state parties to reply to their concerns passed.
15. DISCUSSION ON THE NEW MEXICO BALLOT DRIVE: Franzi gave his report and answered questions. Baase motion that the National Committee instructs the Chair to write letters to the New Mexico and Louisiana state parties to reply to their concerns passed.


16. OUTREACH COMMITTEE: Richman gave his report and answered
16. OUTREACH COMMITTEE: Richman gave his report and answered questions.
 
questions.


17. BALLOT STATUS PLANS FOR STATES FOR 1983-84: This item was deleted from the agenda as Burch was not here to present it.
17. BALLOT STATUS PLANS FOR STATES FOR 1983-84: This item was deleted from the agenda as Burch was not here to present it.


18. DISBANDING SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND SURVEY: Richman gave his report and move that the Research and Survey Committee be abolished. His motion passed.
18. DISBANDING SUBCOMMITTEE ON RESEARCH AND SURVEY: Richman gave his report and moved that the Research and Survey Committee be abolished. His motion passed.


19 PUBLICATIONS AND ADVERTISING SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT: Hocker gave his report and answered questions. Hall played sample radio spots for libertarian campaigns he had prepared.
19 PUBLICATIONS AND ADVERTISING SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT: Hocker gave his report and answered questions. Hall played sample radio spots for libertarian campaigns he had prepared.
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20. CAMPAIGN '82 SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT: H. Rich gave his report and answered questions.
20. CAMPAIGN '82 SUBCOMMITTEE REPORT: H. Rich gave his report and answered questions.


21. PLANS FOR MUNICIPAL RACES IN 1983: There was no objection to Key's request that this item be considered Sunday morning as item 26a.
21. PLANS FOR MUNICIPAL RACES IN 1983: There was no objection to Key's request that this item be considered Sunday morning as item 26a.  
 


22. EDITORIAL POLICY FOR LP NEWS COMMITTEE REPORT: Bogel moved that the National Committee adopt the LP News Policy statement Esee Appendix A] and that it be debated and voted on section by section. Debate followed. Herbert moved to amend Bogel"s motion to adopt the report of the LP News Policy Committee with the following deletions: paragraph 4.2, third sentence of 4.3, and 4.4. Hall moved to amend the motion so item 2.6, p. 2, second sentence will read "no articles will be published which contradict the LP Statement of Principles" instead of the "LP Platform." There was no objection to Johnston's suggestion to separate the two parts--voting on the whole after voting on the Herbert~s deletions and then have Hall present his amendment. DeLisio called the question and the vote to closed debate on the amendment passed. The vote on Herbert's deletions passed. Debate on Hall7s amendment's followed. Key motion to extend debate 5 minutes passed. The vote on Hall's amendment failed 12-13-3 by roll call vote: For: Baase, Bergland, Crussel, DeLisio, Emerling, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hemming, Johnston, Key, Walter; Against: Brazier, Bogel, Evers, Hanson, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Lewis, Monroe, A. Rich. H. Rich. Richman, Rothbard; Abstain: Baures, Eddy, Palm. Rothbard asked his vote to be recorded as follows: "Although I voted against the Hall amendment, I favor a twoto-three month open discussion of platform issues in LP News before each national convention." Franzi desired to change his vote but didn't make the request in time. Herbert called for orders of the day. Baures moved to table this item until first thing tomorrow morning. After several points of order and discussion as to whether Baures' motion was in order, Baures moved to extend debate 10 seconds to make her motion. Her motion failed. Herbert7s motion to adopt the report as amended passed.
22. EDITORIAL POLICY FOR LP NEWS COMMITTEE REPORT: Bogel moved that the National Committee adopt the LP News Policy statement Esee Appendix A] and that it be debated and voted on section by section. Debate followed. Herbert moved to amend Bogel"s motion to adopt the report of the LP News Policy Committee with the following deletions: paragraph 4.2, third sentence of 4.3, and 4.4. Hall moved to amend the motion so item 2.6, p. 2, second sentence will read "no articles will be published which contradict the LP [[Statement of Principles]]" instead of the "LP Platform." There was no objection to Johnston's suggestion to separate the two parts--voting on the whole after voting on the Herbert~s deletions and then have Hall present his amendment. DeLisio called the question and the vote to closed debate on the amendment passed. The vote on Herbert's deletions passed. Debate on Hall's amendment's followed. Key motion to extend debate 5 minutes passed. The vote on Hall's amendment failed 12-13-3 by roll call vote: For: Baase, Bergland, Crussel, DeLisio, Emerling, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hemming, Johnston, Key, Walter; Against: Brazier, Bogel, Evers, Hanson, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Lewis, Monroe, A. Rich. H. Rich. Richman, Rothbard; Abstain: Baures, Eddy, Palm. Rothbard asked his vote to be recorded as follows: "Although I voted against the Hall amendment, I favor a twoto-three month open discussion of platform issues in LP News before each national convention." Franzi desired to change his vote but didn't make the request in time. Herbert called for orders of the day. Baures moved to table this item until first thing tomorrow morning. After several points of order and discussion as to whether Baures' motion was in order, Baures moved to extend debate 10 seconds to make her motion. Her motion failed. Herbert's motion to adopt the report as amended passed.


REPORT FROM ADVERTISING/PUBLICATIONS REVIEW COMMITTEE: Bergland gave his report and answered questions. Hocker moved that recommendations appearing in LP News for the study of Internal Education material not produced by the LP shall be accompanied by a disclaimer to the effect that they may contain material inconsistent with the LP Platform. The only authoritative statement of LP positions is contained in its platform. Hocker's motion passed. Herbert moved to adjourn until 9 a.m. Emerling moved to amend Herbert's motion to adjourn to meet at 8 a.m. Evers moved to make the time 8;30 a.m. after item 20. Bergland's point of order that Hall7s motion was out of order as an argument against Herbert's motion was accepted by the Chair. The vote on Herbert's motion failed.
REPORT FROM ADVERTISING/PUBLICATIONS REVIEW COMMITTEE: Bergland gave his report and answered questions. Hocker moved that recommendations appearing in LP News for the study of Internal Education material not produced by the LP shall be accompanied by a disclaimer to the effect that they may contain material inconsistent with the LP Platform. The only authoritative statement of LP positions is contained in its platform. Hocker's motion passed. Herbert moved to adjourn until 9 a.m. Emerling moved to amend Herbert's motion to adjourn to meet at 8 a.m. Evers moved to make the time 8;30 a.m. after item 20. Bergland's point of order that Hall's motion was out of order as an argument against Herbert's motion was accepted by the Chair. The vote on Herbert's motion failed.


24. SCHEDULING DATE OF FIRST NATCOM MEETING OF 1983: Walter moved to have the first NatCom meeting of 1983 during the weekend of April 16-17. A. Rich moved to amend Walter's motion to hold the meeting the weekend of April 23-24. Evers moved to hold the meeting the weekend of March 12-13. Key's motion to closed debate passed as did Evers' motion by a 15-13 vote. Walter's main motion as amended, to have the first meeting of the National Committee during the weekend of March 12-13, 1983 passed 16-10.
24. SCHEDULING DATE OF FIRST NATCOM MEETING OF 1983: Walter moved to have the first NatCom meeting of 1983 during the weekend of April 16-17. A. Rich moved to amend Walter's motion to hold the meeting the weekend of April 23-24. Evers moved to hold the meeting the weekend of March 12-13. Key's motion to closed debate passed as did Evers' motion by a 15-13 vote. Walter's main motion as amended, to have the first meeting of the National Committee during the weekend of March 12-13, 1983 passed 16-10.
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25. SELECTION OF FIRST NATCOM MEETING OF 1983: Hall asked to yield the floor to Kate O'Brien who spoke on behalf of San Mateo as the location. Key moved to have the March 12-13, 19B3 National Committee meeting in San Mateo, California. After discussion, Key's motion to close debate passed as did her main motion. Emerling's motion to adjourn until 8:30 a.m. Sunday morning passed at 5:18 p.m.
25. SELECTION OF FIRST NATCOM MEETING OF 1983: Hall asked to yield the floor to Kate O'Brien who spoke on behalf of San Mateo as the location. Key moved to have the March 12-13, 19B3 National Committee meeting in San Mateo, California. After discussion, Key's motion to close debate passed as did her main motion. Emerling's motion to adjourn until 8:30 a.m. Sunday morning passed at 5:18 p.m.


26. DISCHARGE OF NATIONAL DIRECTOR: The Chair reconvened the meeting at 8:35 a.m. with an announcement: "The Chair this morning asked Eric O'Keefe for his resignation as National Director of the Libertarian Party and he declined. Therefore I regret that the Chair must announce that she has discharged [[Eric O'Keefe]] as National Director." See Appendix B for entire announcement.3 Key moved to have a 30 minutes agenda item to discuss this announcement. Key"s motion failed 12-13. The Chair asked for 10 minutes for discussion and questions and answers. Key noted that O'Keefe had his hand up and asked to hear his comments. O'Keefe spoke on his own behalf. After discussion Emerling called for orders of the day.
26. DISCHARGE OF NATIONAL DIRECTOR: The Chair reconvened the meeting at 8:35 a.m. with an announcement: "The Chair this morning asked [[Eric O'Keefe]] for his resignation as National Director of the Libertarian Party and he declined. Therefore I regret that the Chair must announce that she has discharged [[Eric O'Keefe]] as National Director." See Appendix B for entire announcement.3 Key moved to have a 30 minutes agenda item to discuss this announcement. Key"s motion failed 12-13. The Chair asked for 10 minutes for discussion and questions and answers. Key noted that O'Keefe had his hand up and asked to hear his comments. O'Keefe spoke on his own behalf. After discussion Emerling called for orders of the day.


Johnston's point of order cited Article VIII, Section 8, of the Bylaws, (The National Committee shall have control and management of all the affairs, properties and funds of the Party consistent with these Bylaws) as "a clear indication that this body is responsible for the management of the Party's affairs. It also authorizes Robert's Rules to cover incidences where the Bylaws are silent on particular issues.
Johnston's point of order cited Article VIII, Section 8, of the Bylaws, (The National Committee shall have control and management of all the affairs, properties and funds of the Party consistent with these Bylaws) as "a clear indication that this body is responsible for the management of the Party's affairs. It also authorizes Robert's Rules to cover incidences where the Bylaws are silent on particular issues.
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On page 403 Roberts says, and we are bound by these, it"s not a matter of advice, (As a general principle, a board cannot delegate its authority--that is, it cannot empower a subordinate group) or I might add Chair (to act independently in its name--except as may be authorized by the bylaws of the society].) Now that doesn't leave the Chair any room to go ahead and to take actions that effects the management of this body on her own behalf...." In a point of order Hall said he believed the member had made his point. Johnston continued raised a point of order and I insist that the Chair abide by the rules that this body, the parent body, has set down."
On page 403 Roberts says, and we are bound by these, it"s not a matter of advice, (As a general principle, a board cannot delegate its authority--that is, it cannot empower a subordinate group) or I might add Chair (to act independently in its name--except as may be authorized by the bylaws of the society].) Now that doesn't leave the Chair any room to go ahead and to take actions that effects the management of this body on her own behalf...." In a point of order Hall said he believed the member had made his point. Johnston continued raised a point of order and I insist that the Chair abide by the rules that this body, the parent body, has set down."


Evers called for orders of the day. Key's point of order asked for a ruling of the Chair on Johnston's point of order. The ruling of the Chair is that "the National Chair, as chief executive of the Libertarian Party, and according to the agreement with Eric 07Keefe during the December 6-7, 1980 NatCom meeting that says that either party can terminate this agreement at any time can take this action now. I repeat again that during that meeting it was clarified that no explicit procedure for firing the National Director exists, but that the Chair has the implicit authority to do SO. That was discussed in that meeting extensively. So the ruling of the Chair is that the Chair does have the authority to do it." Herbert appealed the ruling of the Chair. Debate followed. Herbert's point of order, "The discussion is supposed to be about whether or not the Chair has the right to do what she did, not about the merits of the decision" was accepted. A. Rich yielded her time to 02'Keefe. The roll call vote on upholding the ruling of the chair passed 17-11: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Brazier, Bogel, Crussel, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Lewis, Monroe, Rothbard, Walter;
Evers called for orders of the day. Key's point of order asked for a ruling of the Chair on Johnston's point of order. The ruling of the Chair is that "the National Chair, as chief executive of the Libertarian Party, and according to the agreement with [[Eric O'Keefe]] during the December 6-7, 1980 NatCom meeting that says that either party can terminate this agreement at any time can take this action now. I repeat again that during that meeting it was clarified that no explicit procedure for firing the National Director exists, but that the Chair has the implicit authority to do SO. That was discussed in that meeting extensively. So the ruling of the Chair is that the Chair does have the authority to do it." Herbert appealed the ruling of the Chair. Debate followed. Herbert's point of order, "The discussion is supposed to be about whether or not the Chair has the right to do what she did, not about the merits of the decision" was accepted. A. Rich yielded her time to 02'Keefe. The roll call vote on upholding the ruling of the chair passed 17-11: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Brazier, Bogel, Crussel, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Lewis, Monroe, Rothbard, Walter;


Against: DeLisio, Hemming, Herbert, Hocker. Hodge, Johnston, Key, Palm. A. Rich, H. Rich. Richman.
Against: DeLisio, Hemming, Herbert, Hocker. Hodge, Johnston, Key, Palm. A. Rich, H. Rich. Richman.


In a point of personal privilege Key said: "As I understand what Eric said recently, he isn't going to vacate his position. I don't know how that is going to work out. it seems like it is kind of a problem. But I guess I would like right now to address the general action that was just taken here and to talk a little about the allegation that was made that the National office doesn't support the work of the duly appointed subcommittees a+ the National Committee. We all listened to voluminous reports yesterday from these subcommittees and the reason they were voluminous was because it took a long time for the Membership Chair and the Finance Chair to explain why it is that they haven7t been able to do anything. No allegations have ever been made that any project suggested to the National office has ever been rejected by the National office that have been made by these committees. If anybody thinks that having a different National Director is somehow going to make Matt Monroe able to raise money when he hasn't raised significant sums of money in the last four months or are going to make Emil Franzi who hasn7t recruited a single member in the last 9 months as Membership Chair able to recruit members, they're probably wrong about that."
In a point of personal privilege Key said: "As I understand what Eric said recently, he isn't going to vacate his position. I don't know how that is going to work out. it seems like it is kind of a problem. But I guess I would like right now to address the general action that was just taken here and to talk a little about the allegation that was made that the National office doesn't support the work of the duly appointed subcommittees a+ the National Committee. We all listened to voluminous reports yesterday from these subcommittees and the reason they were voluminous was because it took a long time for the Membership Chair and the Finance Chair to explain why it is that they haven7t been able to do anything. No allegations have ever been made that any project suggested to the National office has ever been rejected by the National office that have been made by these committees. If anybody thinks that having a different National Director is somehow going to make [[Matt Monroe]] able to raise money when he hasn't raised significant sums of money in the last four months or are going to make [[Emil Franzi]] who hasn't recruited a single member in the last 9 months as Membership Chair able to recruit members, they're probably wrong about that."


In a point of personal privilege H. Rich said "you have chose to unilaterally fire him and I consider that an outrage particularly since I do not believe that you have the authority to do so, and I just want to go on record as having said that."
In a point of personal privilege H. Rich said "you have chose to unilaterally fire him and I consider that an outrage particularly since I do not believe that you have the authority to do so, and I just want to go on record as having said that."
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Herbert moved to suspend the rules to give the National Chair advice and consent on the selection of a new National Director. The Chair restated Herbert's motion as "to have advice and consent of this body on the appointment of Honey Lanham as interim or acting National Director for no more than six months for 30 minutes of discussion." Upon request Herbert restated his motion "to suspend the rules for this body to give advice and consent to the Chair on the selection of a new national Director." Hall's point of order was accepted that Herbert's motion was out of order as the proper procedure is for the Chair to submit a name and for the body to discuss and to decide whether to consent to the name. Richman's point of information wanted to know exactly what the point of suspension of the rules was. The Chair replied, "Mr. Herbert asked to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director." In response to Bergland"s point of order that the only thing on this subject that is proper is advice and consent on the appointment of Honey Lanham, the Chair replied "That is correct but the motion of Mr. Herbert is correct because he is asking to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director without names." O'Keefe stated "that based on consultation with my parliamentarian I7m of the opinion that I am not the Director any more so this proceeding can go on with that in mind." In a point of information Baures asked "if I vote yes as the motion stands does that mean that we've also suspended the rules with respect to our past practice of only the Chair being allowed to submit a name?" The Chair answered "Yes, only the appointment of an interim National Director. That was the motion that Mr., Excuse me, let me make it very clear, Vivian, the Chair already discharged Eric O'Keefe as National Director. Now Mr. Herbert moved to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director by the Chair. So we are going to vote on suspending the rules just to take that motion." Baures asked to clarify that motion, "if we suspend the rules, if we vote affirmatively, can Jule Herbert introduce a name and not be out of order?" The Chair stated that "nobody can introduce a name, only the Chair can introduce names and then this body says yea or nay."
Herbert moved to suspend the rules to give the National Chair advice and consent on the selection of a new National Director. The Chair restated Herbert's motion as "to have advice and consent of this body on the appointment of Honey Lanham as interim or acting National Director for no more than six months for 30 minutes of discussion." Upon request Herbert restated his motion "to suspend the rules for this body to give advice and consent to the Chair on the selection of a new national Director." Hall's point of order was accepted that Herbert's motion was out of order as the proper procedure is for the Chair to submit a name and for the body to discuss and to decide whether to consent to the name. Richman's point of information wanted to know exactly what the point of suspension of the rules was. The Chair replied, "Mr. Herbert asked to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director." In response to Bergland"s point of order that the only thing on this subject that is proper is advice and consent on the appointment of Honey Lanham, the Chair replied "That is correct but the motion of Mr. Herbert is correct because he is asking to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director without names." O'Keefe stated "that based on consultation with my parliamentarian I7m of the opinion that I am not the Director any more so this proceeding can go on with that in mind." In a point of information Baures asked "if I vote yes as the motion stands does that mean that we've also suspended the rules with respect to our past practice of only the Chair being allowed to submit a name?" The Chair answered "Yes, only the appointment of an interim National Director. That was the motion that Mr., Excuse me, let me make it very clear, Vivian, the Chair already discharged Eric O'Keefe as National Director. Now Mr. Herbert moved to suspend the rules to consider the appointment of an interim National Director by the Chair. So we are going to vote on suspending the rules just to take that motion." Baures asked to clarify that motion, "if we suspend the rules, if we vote affirmatively, can Jule Herbert introduce a name and not be out of order?" The Chair stated that "nobody can introduce a name, only the Chair can introduce names and then this body says yea or nay."


Discussion continued. In a point of personal privilege Eddy stated, "it's my opinion that my rights may be violated in all this confusion and I'd like to have permission for the parliamentarian to make a statement on rights of the members of this body." There was objection to this request. After more discussion that Chair stated: "According with Mr. Herbert7s motion he wants to suspend the rules for this body to be able to appoint a new National Director instead of the Chair doing so and against resolutions that says that the National Chair is the only one that can bring a name to appoint a new national Director." Herbert said "that's not my motion, Madame Chair. I asked to suspend the rules so this body could give advice and consent to the Chair on the selection of a National Director." Eddy asked for clari+ication, "does that still mean that the Chair is the only one who has the right to submit a name for interim National Director?" Herbert replied: "How can my motion have any implication on that subject?" Eddy replied. slit does... Evers said, "It doesn't." Eddy said, "Ok, I accept that." The Chair said: "Ok, so it is clear now what we are voting on." Evers said, "Yes, it7s clear." The vote to suspend the rules to consider Herbert7s motion passed 25-3 For: Baase5 Baures, Bergland, Brazier, Bogel, Crussel, DeLisio, Eddy, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hanson, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewis, Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: Emerling, Hall. Hemming. Hall requested the record show "the fact that his nay vote on Mr. Herbert's motion to suspend the rules to advice and consent was motivated by the fact that despite extensive discussion the implications of the motion were unclear and not by any desire to impede discussion and consent to the Chair's appointment of Ms. Lanham."
Discussion continued. In a point of personal privilege Eddy stated, "it's my opinion that my rights may be violated in all this confusion and I'd like to have permission for the parliamentarian to make a statement on rights of the members of this body." There was objection to this request. After more discussion that Chair stated: "According with Mr. Herbert,s motion he wants to suspend the rules for this body to be able to appoint a new National Director instead of the Chair doing so and against resolutions that says that the National Chair is the only one that can bring a name to appoint a new national Director." Herbert said "that's not my motion, Madame Chair. I asked to suspend the rules so this body could give advice and consent to the Chair on the selection of a National Director." Eddy asked for clari+ication, "does that still mean that the Chair is the only one who has the right to submit a name for interim National Director?" Herbert replied: "How can my motion have any implication on that subject?" Eddy replied. slit does... Evers said, "It doesn't." Eddy said, "Ok, I accept that." The Chair said: "Ok, so it is clear now what we are voting on." Evers said, "Yes, it's clear." The vote to suspend the rules to consider Herbert's motion passed 25-3 For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Brazier, Bogel, Crussel, DeLisio, Eddy, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hanson, Herbert, Hocker, Hodge, Johnston, Key, Lewis, Monroe, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: Emerling, Hall. Hemming. Hall requested the record show "the fact that his nay vote on Mr. Herbert's motion to suspend the rules to advice and consent was motivated by the fact that despite extensive discussion the implications of the motion were unclear and not by any desire to impede discussion and consent to the Chair's appointment of Ms. Lanham."


Evers moved that "this body accept the appointment of [[Honey Lanham]] as interim National Director for not more than six months." Debate followed. Evers' motion by roll call vote passed 20-7-1: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Brazier. Bogel, Crussel, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Hemming, Hodge, Lewis, Monroe, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: Herbert, Hocker, Johnston, Key, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich; Abstain: DeLisio. Key asked to "be recorded as saying, "I think that this is a tremendously serious mistake that the National Committee is making by consenting to this appointment. Also since I have the floor right now, if you could record the comments I make earlier too in that section."
Evers moved that "this body accept the appointment of [[Honey Lanham]] as interim National Director for not more than six months." Debate followed. Evers' motion by roll call vote passed 20-7-1: For: Baase, Baures, Bergland, Brazier. Bogel, Crussel, Eddy, Emerling, Evers, Franzi, Grant, Hall, Hanson, Hemming, Hodge, Lewis, Monroe, Richman, Rothbard, Walter; Against: Herbert, Hocker, Johnston, Key, Palm, A. Rich, H. Rich; Abstain: DeLisio. Key asked to "be recorded as saying, "I think that this is a tremendously serious mistake that the National Committee is making by consenting to this appointment. Also since I have the floor right now, if you could record the comments I make earlier too in that section."

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